Wow, I can’t believe I let Don beat me to the punch on the monthly net worth post. He must not have much real work to do or something….
Wow, what a cash recovery this month! Don was bragging about his cash being up $1,400… try $3,400 on for size! I haven’t done the [...]
Wow, I can’t believe I let Don beat me to the punch on the monthly net worth post. He must not have much real work to do or something….
- Wow, what a cash recovery this month! Don was bragging about his cash being up $1,400… try $3,400 on for size! I haven’t done the analysis yet, so I honestly don’t know where all of that came from. We definitely had a “good” spending month though, and I also cashed in about $650 worth of credit card cash back rewards.
- Green across the board, I’m lovin’ it! (OK not as much as I love McDonald’s, but still. Ba-dop-ba-ba-ba.) Granted, it’s a little shady that the value of my vehicles went up this month, but I think it’s due to the run up in gas prices. My small, fuel efficient car and motorcycle both went up a bit in value according to nadaguides.com. My wife’s car has not started depreciating yet (hah, yeah right!) since it’s a 2012 model. I’ll expect a substantial drop when it shows up as being a “used” car.
- I love watching the long term debt tick down each month. As long as you keep making payments then you will always have a positive influence on your net worth each month.
Well, something has happened that has forced us into getting a new car. My wife’s car had decided to accelerate on it’s own and cause a minor accident. This incident caused us to feel unsafe driving the vehicle, which drove our decision to trade in the vehicle for a new one. I thought I would [...]
Well, something has happened that has forced us into getting a new car. My wife’s car had decided to accelerate on it’s own and cause a minor accident. This incident caused us to feel unsafe driving the vehicle, which drove our decision to trade in the vehicle for a new one. I thought I would never buy a brand new car again, but in this case we were able to rationalize it pretty easily, which, fiscally, scares me a bit
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As I mentioned, we purchased a brand new car. We didn’t set out intending to buy new, but in the end it made sense (kind of? hopefully? Am I just trying to make myself feel better?). When we first went out looking we intended to buy a 1-3 year old SUV that had the equivalent towing capacity of my wife’s current car. This would have cost us around $18,000-$21,000 depending on brand, mileage, and amenities.
Research
Due to the “surprise” need for a new vehicle, we didn’t have one particular model in mind that we really knew we wanted. Thus we set out to test drive a bunch of vehicles quickly. We tried the following:
- 2008 Ford Edge – A little underpowered, and the fuel economy was not quite what I would expect from that size of a vehicle. The 2011 model got an engine upgrade, but we never got around to trying one that new. This vehicle was also a bit smaller cargo wise that my wife’s prior car.
- Nissan Murano – I can’t remember what year we tried. The car actually drove and rode very nice, but it had a CVT transmission. I’m anti-CVT
. - 2011 Kia Sorrento – I was very impressed with this vehicle. It had a high level of base amenities, drove very sporty, and was priced very competitively. But alas, I think it was the smallest of the SUVs that we tried.
- Honda Pilot – Ugh. This was a truck in a shiny package. Drove terrible, rode terrible, underpowered, poor MPG. Overall the one we liked the least.
- 2011 Ford Explorer – The 2011 model year was a complete overhaul for the Explorer. It became a crossover instead of a truck based SUV. This improved MPG without sacrificing too much tow capacity. This, or something similar, would probably what we would have decided to purchase if we had “planned” on getting a vehicle when we were ready to upgrade Anne’s car. And so the rationalization began….
Rationalization
We saw in a dealer’s online inventory that they had a used 2011 Explorer, so we tried to schedule a test drive but it was sold already. Instead we tried a brand new one just to get a feel for the vehicle. We loved it, and unfortunately didn’t have much time to wait for another reasonably priced used one to pop up. We didn’t want a pre-2011 model because it was truck based and would likely have liked it about as much as the Honda Pilot. The post-2011 models are an upgrade in cargo capacity, people capacity, and tow capacity for us. This would allow us to upgrade our camper in the future to something larger without requiring a new vehicle. It would also give us room to grow our family. Knowing what I know now about all the stuff you have to haul around with kids, this was important.
This got me looking into current incentives on the 2012 Ford Explorers. It turned out they had $1,000 cash back, $500 trade in bonus, $500 recent graduate discount that I qualified for, and I got a $300 discount through my work at a local dealer. This dealer also happened to have “take it or leave it” pricing, so I knew their prices and also knew that I would actually be getting the discounts without having to negotiate price. After all of the cash back incentives, it turned out I could purchase brand new for ~$1200 more than what that same dealer charged for the used 2011 model that they had already sold. I felt that was a reasonable trade to make to get a brand new vehicle that I knew no one had abused.
Trading In vs. Selling
Normally I would sell an old vehicle when purchasing another to not take the value loss that you get when trading in. However, due to our safety concerns about my wife’s old vehicle, we felt we had a moral dilemma about selling it to someone face-to-face. Therefore we decided to take the “loss” and trade it in to make ourselves feel slightly better, even though we know someone else will still be driving it in the future. So overall I think I lost $2-3k that I could have gotten had I sold it, but sometimes life gives you lemons that you just can’t make lemonade with.
Results
The end result is we have a new vehicle that we will be tracking at cost until Kelly Blue Book starts to track used 2012 car values. The total cost, after incentives but before trade-in, was $28,652 for us. After trade-in, tax, and an additional $3,000 down payment, we have ended up financing ~$13,700. We went with a 5 year loan at 3.39% to keep the payments low. This will help keep our cash flow up to continue investing and saving for the down payment on our next house, while giving us the option to pay extra on the loan and pay it down sooner.
Wow that’s an expensive car, but I think it was the right decision for the long term.
Don and I have decided to reevaluate how we put a value on our vehicles for our net-worth calculations. I have been using an average from Kelly Blue Book, NADA, and Edmunds that I haven’t updated in months. Who knows what Don was [...]
Don and I have decided to reevaluate how we put a value on our vehicles for our net-worth calculations. I have been using an average from Kelly Blue Book, NADA, and Edmunds that I haven’t updated in months. Who knows what Don was using….
Nevertheless, we have decided to standardize on using only NADA for our vehicle values. We came to this decision (1) to keep it simple and (2) NADA seems to be the only place that gives a value on campers, motorcycles, boats, and other vehicles. We will be using the retail value of the vehicle, adjusted downward by the condition of the vehicle. On NADA, they only adjust the trade-in value downwards, so we will take that adjustment and apply it to the retail value. The condition of the vehicle will be left up to the discretion of the individual.
Using this method, the total value of all of my vehicles changes from $43,645 to $42,071. This is both a result of the rule change and a result of finally updating them after a few months.
I would expect another change in my next monthly update due to a purchase of a new car for my wife. We no longer feel safe driving her current vehicle due to a recent incident, and are trading it in for a new car. Expect a post about that in the near future!
Let me start by saying I’m not the most frugal person in the world. I typically don’t spend my money on lots of small things like eating out daily, buying every new gadget that gets released, etc…. However, I have to say I’m not the type of person who likes to drive a really old [...]
Let me start by saying I’m not the most frugal person in the world. I typically don’t spend my money on lots of small things like eating out daily, buying every new gadget that gets released, etc…. However, I have to say I’m not the type of person who likes to drive a really old car to save money, or live in a tiny apartment. So, spending on a few big things tends to balance out our savings on many small things.
For example, a few years ago (influenced by Don nonetheless), I decided I wanted to learn to ride a motorcycle. So I bought a small, used motorcycle for around $4,000. I used that motorcycle for about a year until I was comfortable with my riding skills. Then, what did I do? I sold the small bike and went out and bought a brand new motorcycle. I could have bought used. There is a plethora of used motorcycles on the market. But… new is just nicer. I don’t have to worry about how the other person treated it, because I know I’ve been the only owner.
This brings me to my latest dilemma. Specifically a car dilemma.
I drive a small, fun, 2-door coupe. I like driving a fun car. However, with a new baby this year, my wife and I have realized how impractical my car is. We typically use my wife’s small SUV for nearly everything, and my son rarely has to travel in my car. But when he does, it’s difficult to get him in and out to say the least.
The other piece of background info I will share is that my family enjoys camping. We own a small pop-up camper, which we tow with my wife’s SUV. With the growth of our family, we are going to grow out of our small camper, but my wife’s SUV won’t be able to tow anything larger.
This is a problem. I want two different vehicles for the price of none. I want a fun, four door car as a daily driver. A BMW 3-series would be my ultimate choice. I also want a big, 4-door pickup truck so in the future we can expand the size of our camper and not have to worry about tow or seating capacity. Clearly buying both of these vehicles is not possible without spending a lot of money
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Choice #1: Sell/trade in my current car, buy a 1 or 2 year old pickup truck, and use it as my daily driver for a few years. Once the truck is paid off I can get the car I really want, while keeping the truck as a third household vehicle. This choice has a high Wife Acceptance Factor (WAF). She doesn’t want me to get a fancy car, but she has given me permission to as long as we solve the truck problem first. The other reason this choice makes some sense is that I currently live only 5 miles from work, which means gas mileage will not be a big factor. The problem with this choice is I don’t want to drive a pickup truck every day, I just want to have one on hand for when it is needed. Another problem with this choice is that owning a truck will sway us towards spending even more money on a larger camper. Cost now: $20-25k. WAF (scale 1-10): 10.
Choice #2: Ignore the wife and get the car I want now, used. I know she’ll give in eventually, but she won’t be too happy about it. Don’t bother with a pickup truck until we need one. This is essentially the opposite of choice #1. Cost now: $25-35k. WAF: 2.
Choice #3: Keep my current vehicle and live with the difficulty of getting kids in and out of it. My car has been paid off for years, is 6 years old, trouble free, and only has 55,000 miles on it. Clearly this is the smartest choice financially. I can save on car payments now and divert that money towards a savings account targeted towards the purchase of a new car/truck. I don’t need a car now. I don’t need a truck now. The wife definitely would like me to have a larger vehicle though. Cost now: $0. WAF: 5.
I’m leaning towards Choice #3 currently, and am hoping to keep my willpower strong to continue to resist purchasing a new car. Based on past history, I’ll probably give in sooner rather than later. However, if I start targeted saving towards a car now, I’ll have more money as a down payment when my willpower collapses, making either Choice #1 or Choice #2 less painful in the future.
Tasks to fullfill:
- Open a new savings account targeted towards the purchase of a vehicle
- Identify how much car payments would be based on an average of choices 1 and 2
- Divert those car payments monthly into the new savings account
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